Q & A with Greg Koch Part II

3–4 minutes

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RESUMING FROM PART I

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TW: Arrogant Bastard is a bold name for a bold beer. It seems like that would be the fun part, deciding how aggressive to be, how far to push it…

Koch: It is fun, but what we try to do is name the beers so they appropriately and effectively communicate the beers themselves. Arrogant Bastard is a great example, but sometimes it’s best to be simple and straightforward. Stone IPA lets people know that, “Yep it’s an IPA. And yep, it was brewed at Stone.


TW: Do you feel like you’re part of the American craft beer renaissance? It’s a lot easier these days for anyone who desires to find killer beer…

Koch: We certainly feel that we’re part of a greater whole. I created and produced the “I Am A Craft Brewer” video. It says exactly what I feel about the industry. I am a fanboy beer-geek and I admire all these people making these amazing beers. They’re friends, and I love their work. I wouldn’t even call it a friendly competition; I consider them compatriots. If you come into our restaurant, you’ll find 32 beers on tap, but only 8-10 of them are Stone. We want to share and showcase all these great selections. You’ll find zero fizzy yellow beers.

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TW: With all of these craft breweries, do you think American beer palates are improving?

Koch: I believe people inherently have good taste, but we can get programmed. Look at the beer that’s advertised on television. People have to want to be unprogrammed, and they need that chance of discovery like my serendipitous Anchor Steam at Al’s Bar. Today, there are so many more opportunities for that first encounter with amazing beer that the number of good beer drinkers is multiplying.

TW: Is it true you want to plant a Stone flag in Europe?

Koch: Yes. We are openly discussing the possibility of opening a brewery in Europe. To my knowledge, no American craft brewer has ever even talked about it. I think the likelihood is decent, because in places like the UK and Germany, beer sales have been in decline for the last couple of decades. They can’t afford to be provincial. We’ve already been contacted by the British and French embassies, they want to help connect the dots. Stone represents a fresh face and a new approach.

TW: Any new beers you recommend we check out?

Koch: The Stone Sublimely Self-Righteous Ale. At the beginning of March, it’s going from an occasional to a full-time beer. Stone fans are ecstatic.

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TW: Looking back, did you learn anything at USC that’s impacted your career?

Koch: I learned that I’m an entrepreneur, which means my grades weren’t all that great.

TW: I was surprised to learn you aren’t a sports fan because beer and tailgating go hand-in-hand–

Koch: It’s our philosophy to make great beers and it’s up to people to decide when and how they want to enjoy it. We don’t do any advertising. I think it’s the height of silliness to tell people “this is when you do that.” If you want to drink excellent beer, we have it. If you want compromise your standards and drink yellow nonsense, then you’re probably not our customer anyway, so what do we care?

TW: What dreams do you have for Stone Brewery?

Koch: I’d love to see Stone on tap in-and-around the Southern Cal campus. That would be awesome.

TW: What’s the hold up there?

Koch: Ask the bar owners. I don’t know. Maybe people at USC have an inclination to the poser green bottle imports? Or the poser clear bottles with the limes shoved down the neck? I’d hate to believe SC’ers don’t like to do anything more than scratch the surface of mass consumerism.

TW: Thanks for taking the time with TrojanWire, we’re big fans of Stone Brewing.

Koch: As a Trojan, it’s a huge honor. And as a beer lover, it’s a great privilege getting to do what I do.

  1. The Lab, on Figueroa (by the Galen Center) had Stone IPA and Stone Levitation on draft the other day.

    http://thelab.usc.edu

  2. “yellow nonsense”
    “poser green bottle imports”
    “poser clear bottles”

    I was interested in trying some Stone beers until I got a sense of this guy’s arrogance. It was a real turn off. Sometimes I like fizzy yellow stuff, and obviously so do a lot of other people. He certainly isn’t going to win any customers by essentially calling them idiots…its a counter-productive mentality. More people will try his beers if he is friendly and open to them. Whether his motive is better sales or just educating people on “better” beer, a better attitude toward the mass market “morons” would serve him well.

    Somebody suggest a good PR firm so that this guy can sit down and take some notes on how to give an interview.

    Disappointing.

    1. Why do you think its called Arrogant Bastard you…………………AB. Its about flavor!!! and yellow fizzy beer……………well isn’t really beer, its simply………….. well, yellow fizzy liquid.

  3. Jeff, I think you hit the nail on the head. Don’t try this beer. It will be your loss. Definitely, don’t visit the brewery and bistro in Escondido. You wouldn’t want to have good food with your good beer. As mentioned above, they serve beer other than their own.

    But, I will suggest reading the back of a bottle such as the Arrogant Bastard. If you aren’t entertained, then don’t bother.

  4. Jeff – I suggest you check out a movie on Netflix or elsewhere called Beer Wars. AB and MillerCoors are jamming many great craft beers from getting to as wide an audience as possible through their distributors. Greg has every reason to be pissed at yellow beer makers as they are trying to use their size to kill American craft beer.

  5. jeff,

    i really like his attitude toward mass market “morons”. he believes that bud/miller/etc is crap, so he says so. people should have enough self-confidence not to shy away from such things. maybe he’s right, and “fizzy yellow beer” *is* crap by the standards of people who drink it, if they decide to try craft beer. maybe he’s wrong and they’ll always love it. who cares?

    i don’t want a businessman to hold my hand or kiss my ass. i want them to make quality products and conduct themselves honestly. the consumer base should be composed of adults. hopefully they can make their own decisions and buy what they like, rather than relying on large companies to justify their insecurities with marketing (“if you’re a MAN, drink this light BEER!” etc).

    and of course, this guy has a good business going. the craft beer industry is big enough now that greg koch doesn’t need to worry about converting a single “fizzy yellow beer” drinker to stay afloat. even so though, i think getting offended that some guy doesn’t like macro beers and thinks the drinkers are making a mistake shouldn’t be a consideration for an adult consumer deciding where to spend his or her money.

  6. jeff,

    i really like his attitude toward mass market “morons”. he believes that bud/miller/etc is crap, so he says so. people should have enough self-confidence not to shy away from such things. maybe he’s right, and “fizzy yellow beer” *is* crap by the standards of people who drink it, if they decide to try craft beer. maybe he’s wrong and they’ll always love it. who cares?

    i don’t want a businessman to hold my hand or kiss my ass. i want them to make quality products and conduct themselves honestly. the consumer base should be composed of adults. hopefully they can make their own decisions and buy what they like, rather than relying on large companies to justify their insecurities with marketing (“if you’re a MAN, drink this light BEER!” etc).

    and of course, this guy has a good business going. the craft beer industry is big enough now that greg koch doesn’t need to worry about converting a single “fizzy yellow beer” drinker to stay afloat. even so though, i think getting offended that some guy doesn’t like macro beers and thinks the drinkers are making a mistake shouldn’t be a consideration for an adult consumer deciding where to spend his or her money.

  7. jeff,

    i really like his attitude toward mass market “morons”. he believes that bud/miller/etc is crap, so he says so. people should have enough self-confidence not to shy away from such things. maybe he’s right, and “fizzy yellow beer” *is* crap by the standards of people who drink it, if they decide to try craft beer. maybe he’s wrong and they’ll always love it. who cares?

    i don’t want a businessman to hold my hand or kiss my ass. i want them to make quality products and conduct themselves honestly. the consumer base should be composed of adults. hopefully they can make their own decisions and buy what they like, rather than relying on large companies to justify their insecurities with marketing (“if you’re a MAN, drink this light BEER!” etc).

    and of course, this guy has a good business going. the craft beer industry is big enough now that greg koch doesn’t need to worry about converting a single “fizzy yellow beer” drinker to stay afloat. even so though, i think getting offended that some guy doesn’t like macro beers and thinks the drinkers are making a mistake shouldn’t be a consideration for an adult consumer deciding where to spend his or her money.

  8. Molly O'Banion Avatar
    Molly O’Banion

    Rory,

    Grow some balls, put on your big boy pants and drink some damn good beer.

    Stone’s marketing slogan “You aren’t worthy” is beyond genius. You’re suggestion that Greg Koch hire a PR firm for help is beyond laughable. There isn’t a PR firm out there smart enough to come up with such a slogan as “You aren’t worthy.”

    Who would have guessed that beer with it’s own attitude and put-downs towards ignorant beer drinkers, like yourself, would not only sell beer but keep drinkers coming back for more?!

    As the saying goes, “behind every bad ass slogan is a phenomenally bad ass beer to back it up.” A beer that, I believe, could possibly spawn a religious experience should one choose to drink it.

    Yes I am “stone clone” and Rory, it’s ok if you don’t get it, you will truly never be worthy enough anyways.

  9. Molly… I wear big boy pants or sometimes no pants at all… i think your comment is for Jeff

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